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How Advisors differ from
Scoutmasters
Steven Myers
Central Region Venturing Committee
GTC VOA Associate Advisor
Scoutmaster Troop One, Akron, Oh 1992-2017
myers@uakron.edu
For GTC University of Scouting
March 3, 2018
Revised: January 22, 2016
Objectives
At the end of this session you will
• Understand the differences and similarities between
Boy Scouts and Venturing
• Understand how the role of Advisor is quite different
from the role of Scoutmaster
3 BSA Programs
CUB SCOUTS BOY SCOUTS VENTURING
Do your best Be Prepared Lead the Adventure
Ages 7-10 11-17 13 & 14-21 coed
Program led by Led by youth leaders Led by Venturers
Adult Leaders with Adult Leaders Mentored by Adult Advisors
What is common
• One Oath, One Law, separate mottos
• One common Mission
Boy Scouts
1. Character development
2. Citizenship
3. Personal Fitness
Venturing
1. Character development
2. Citizenship
3. Physical, Mental
Emotional and Spiritual
Fitness
• Developing leadership skills
• Adventurous programming
Aims and desired outcomes
Boy Scouts
1. Ideals
2. Adult Association
3. Advancement
4. Outdoor Program
5. Patrols
6. Leadership Development
7. Personal Growth
8. Uniform
Venturing
1. Ideals
2. Adult association
3. Recognition
4. Group activities and adventure
5. Group Identity
6. Leadership and Mentoring
7. Service
Different Methods
Scouting is a Game with a Purpose
“Scouting is a game for boys
under the leadership of boys
under the direction of a man”
– Baden-Powell
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Under the direction of a Scoutmaster
who
1. Directs
2. Coaches
3. Guides
4. Enables
Who “trains them and let’s them
lead”
Who is the “keeper of the flame”
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Youth and adult troop leaders
Troopleader.org
Volumes 1 and 2
Update of the Scoutmaster Handbook is the Troop Leader Guidebook
Venturing Areas of Program Emphasis
Adventure
Leadership and Mentoring
Personal Growth
Service
ALPS 6 + month planning process
Planning
Elements
Months
Adventure
Leadership
Personal
Growth
Service
January 2016
February 2016
March 2016
April 2016
May 2016
June 2016
To plan a successful
Venturing program,
a crew should incorporate
into its annual plan all 4 areas
of program emphasis
ALPS recognition process
Planning
Elements
Awards
Adventure
Leadership
Personal
Growth
Service
SUMMIT
3 more
adventures
Mentoring
personal
code + 2
Goals
Summit
Service
Project
PATHFINDER
2 more
adventures
Leading
Achieve 2
more goals
36 hours and
lead
DISCOVERY 2 adventures Participating
Achieve 1
Goal
24 hours
VENTURING None Learning None none
Goals of Venturing
1. Lets youth pursue their interests in a way not available in a
traditional educational setting (or in a Boy Scout Troop)
2. Fosters personal, social, and community health through the
delivery of service to others.
3. Creates an environment that encourages growth in the
Crew’s Venturers as well as in the Advisors.
Venturing is not Boy Scouts
– Venturing does not follow a Boy Scout Troop
model.
– Every youth officer from President to Activity
Chair has an adult partner who is his Advisor
– Venturing is stronger if crews Meet Less and Do
More!
– The youth Lead their Adventures with youth
mentors and adult advisors.
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Venturing is
• Designed for the young adult 14-20 years of age
• Designed to emphasize things that young adults
enjoy
• Designed to focus on the things High School students
care about (ALPS) while getting ready for major
transitions in their life
– Trainings (Goal Setting, Time Management, Project
Management and Mentoring) are geared towards the
development of the youth for success in the future.
Contrast a typical
Scoutmaster Conference
The Scout learns
The Scout is tested
The Scout is approved (book signed)
The Scoutmaster Conference
The Board of Review awards the rank
With an Advisor Conference
Structured
Personal
Reflection
Goal Setting
(Goal Setting
training)
Planning (Project
Management
Training)
Implementation
(Time Management
Training)
Assessment
(The Advisor
Conference)
• Scouting at all levels is educational, but not like school.
• Goal setting is required
• Challenges should increase incrementally
• Participation includes consequences, successes and
failures and reflection on the adventure or event
• Venturers grow by progressing from
Participant
Adventure
Leader
Mentor of
leaders
Venturing Uses
Experiential Education
Venturing Uses
Experiential Education
• Content is not the critical piece in experiential education.
• The critical piece is how the content helps facilitates personal
growth. (Advisors are all about the process)
• Experiential education is about challenges and outcomes.
– Cooperative games, trust-building activities, problem solving
initiatives, high adventure activities, expedition leadership, Service
delivery as part of a team
– Character development is assisted by processing what we learned
during an activity through reflection
Experiential Education Process
#1
Experience
#2
Share
#3
Process
#4
Generalize
#5
Apply
The reflection
The experience
Advising versus Leading
The youth Crew Activity Leader
– has responsibility for organizing and running an event, determining
roles and responsibilities and evaluating the experience
The Advisor
– ensures the process of Venturing takes place in a fun and safe manner
– helps the crew leader design and carry out the program
– Assures a balanced program across the areas of emphasis (ALPS)
– helps prepare the youth to make leadership decisions
– helps prepare them to function effectively as a Venturing Crew
Youth led, Adult guided
The Advisor
• Has the responsibility to help the youth leadership do its best to carryout
the crew’s program of activities and adventures.
• does not sit back and watch a disaster unfold and then declare it a success
because the crew is youth-led.
• assures a constructive working relationship between the youth and the
adults who support them.
• uses questions rather than lecturing.
• Thin line between telling and suggesting, and suggesting undermines
using experiences as a teaching and learning tool for Venturers.
• Advisor uses appropriate questions drawn from the literature on
mentoring.
Advisor is supportive
The Advisor
• Is concerned about the process, not merely the
outcome
• makes youth aware of opportunities they have to be
successful
• helps them make meaningful goals through Venturing
• ensures Venturing meets the needs of the crew
• seeks to advocate for youth through their
empowerment
• never directs
Counseling and Mentoring Strategies
1. Listen attentively
2. Summarize what is being said
3. Get all the facts
4. Explore a variety of solutions
5. Reactions and responses
6. Be a friend
Training leads to success
• Y02
• Fast Start Orientation Training
• Venturing Advisor Position-Specific Training
• Crew Committee Challenge
• Introduction to Outdoor Leader Skills
• Powder horn
• Wood Badge
• Leadership Challenge
• National Training Conferences
Adult Roles
Crew Advisor
Responsible to
“advise” youth Crew
members
Crew Associate Advisor
Responsible to assist
Crew Advisor and
“advise” their youth
officer.
Crew Committee and
Chairman
Responsible for behind
the scenes work and to
assist the Crew Advisor
Youth Leadership roles
Crew President
Responsible for
leading the youth in
the Crew with
functions and on
adventures.
Crew Vice Presidents
Responsible to assist
the President in
assigned tasks.
Typically, roles of
Administration and
Program
Crew Secretary
Responsible to assist
the President in more
organizational tasks.
Such as attendance
and record keeping
Crew Treasurer
Responsible by
assisting the
President by
managing the Crew’s
finances
Governance –
• All Venturers practice citizenship through a
representative democracy that starts as the
crew and rises all the way to the National
Venturing President and his cabinet.
• Every voice gets heard
• The mechanism of this governance is called
the Venturing Officer Association
Council VOA
Members
• Council Venturing President (youth)
• Council VPs (youth)
• VOA Advisor and Associate Advisors
• Crew Presidents and their Advisors
Functions
• Program events
• Training events
• Service to crews
Presidents
Crew Venturing Presidents and
the Crew Advisors
• are members of the Council
VOA and
• represent their crew to the
Council VOA and in turn
receive support from the
Council VOA officers.
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Questions
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Difference between advisor and scoutmaster

  • 1. How Advisors differ from Scoutmasters Steven Myers Central Region Venturing Committee GTC VOA Associate Advisor Scoutmaster Troop One, Akron, Oh 1992-2017 myers@uakron.edu For GTC University of Scouting March 3, 2018 Revised: January 22, 2016
  • 2. Objectives At the end of this session you will • Understand the differences and similarities between Boy Scouts and Venturing • Understand how the role of Advisor is quite different from the role of Scoutmaster
  • 3. 3 BSA Programs CUB SCOUTS BOY SCOUTS VENTURING Do your best Be Prepared Lead the Adventure Ages 7-10 11-17 13 & 14-21 coed Program led by Led by youth leaders Led by Venturers Adult Leaders with Adult Leaders Mentored by Adult Advisors
  • 4. What is common • One Oath, One Law, separate mottos • One common Mission
  • 5. Boy Scouts 1. Character development 2. Citizenship 3. Personal Fitness Venturing 1. Character development 2. Citizenship 3. Physical, Mental Emotional and Spiritual Fitness • Developing leadership skills • Adventurous programming Aims and desired outcomes
  • 6. Boy Scouts 1. Ideals 2. Adult Association 3. Advancement 4. Outdoor Program 5. Patrols 6. Leadership Development 7. Personal Growth 8. Uniform Venturing 1. Ideals 2. Adult association 3. Recognition 4. Group activities and adventure 5. Group Identity 6. Leadership and Mentoring 7. Service Different Methods
  • 7. Scouting is a Game with a Purpose “Scouting is a game for boys under the leadership of boys under the direction of a man” – Baden-Powell 7
  • 8. Under the direction of a Scoutmaster who 1. Directs 2. Coaches 3. Guides 4. Enables Who “trains them and let’s them lead” Who is the “keeper of the flame” 8
  • 9. Youth and adult troop leaders Troopleader.org
  • 10. Volumes 1 and 2 Update of the Scoutmaster Handbook is the Troop Leader Guidebook
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  • 13. Venturing Areas of Program Emphasis Adventure Leadership and Mentoring Personal Growth Service
  • 14. ALPS 6 + month planning process Planning Elements Months Adventure Leadership Personal Growth Service January 2016 February 2016 March 2016 April 2016 May 2016 June 2016 To plan a successful Venturing program, a crew should incorporate into its annual plan all 4 areas of program emphasis
  • 15. ALPS recognition process Planning Elements Awards Adventure Leadership Personal Growth Service SUMMIT 3 more adventures Mentoring personal code + 2 Goals Summit Service Project PATHFINDER 2 more adventures Leading Achieve 2 more goals 36 hours and lead DISCOVERY 2 adventures Participating Achieve 1 Goal 24 hours VENTURING None Learning None none
  • 16. Goals of Venturing 1. Lets youth pursue their interests in a way not available in a traditional educational setting (or in a Boy Scout Troop) 2. Fosters personal, social, and community health through the delivery of service to others. 3. Creates an environment that encourages growth in the Crew’s Venturers as well as in the Advisors.
  • 17. Venturing is not Boy Scouts – Venturing does not follow a Boy Scout Troop model. – Every youth officer from President to Activity Chair has an adult partner who is his Advisor – Venturing is stronger if crews Meet Less and Do More! – The youth Lead their Adventures with youth mentors and adult advisors. 17
  • 18. Venturing is • Designed for the young adult 14-20 years of age • Designed to emphasize things that young adults enjoy • Designed to focus on the things High School students care about (ALPS) while getting ready for major transitions in their life – Trainings (Goal Setting, Time Management, Project Management and Mentoring) are geared towards the development of the youth for success in the future.
  • 19. Contrast a typical Scoutmaster Conference The Scout learns The Scout is tested The Scout is approved (book signed) The Scoutmaster Conference The Board of Review awards the rank
  • 20. With an Advisor Conference Structured Personal Reflection Goal Setting (Goal Setting training) Planning (Project Management Training) Implementation (Time Management Training) Assessment (The Advisor Conference)
  • 21. • Scouting at all levels is educational, but not like school. • Goal setting is required • Challenges should increase incrementally • Participation includes consequences, successes and failures and reflection on the adventure or event • Venturers grow by progressing from Participant Adventure Leader Mentor of leaders Venturing Uses Experiential Education
  • 22. Venturing Uses Experiential Education • Content is not the critical piece in experiential education. • The critical piece is how the content helps facilitates personal growth. (Advisors are all about the process) • Experiential education is about challenges and outcomes. – Cooperative games, trust-building activities, problem solving initiatives, high adventure activities, expedition leadership, Service delivery as part of a team – Character development is assisted by processing what we learned during an activity through reflection
  • 24. Advising versus Leading The youth Crew Activity Leader – has responsibility for organizing and running an event, determining roles and responsibilities and evaluating the experience The Advisor – ensures the process of Venturing takes place in a fun and safe manner – helps the crew leader design and carry out the program – Assures a balanced program across the areas of emphasis (ALPS) – helps prepare the youth to make leadership decisions – helps prepare them to function effectively as a Venturing Crew
  • 25. Youth led, Adult guided The Advisor • Has the responsibility to help the youth leadership do its best to carryout the crew’s program of activities and adventures. • does not sit back and watch a disaster unfold and then declare it a success because the crew is youth-led. • assures a constructive working relationship between the youth and the adults who support them. • uses questions rather than lecturing. • Thin line between telling and suggesting, and suggesting undermines using experiences as a teaching and learning tool for Venturers. • Advisor uses appropriate questions drawn from the literature on mentoring.
  • 26. Advisor is supportive The Advisor • Is concerned about the process, not merely the outcome • makes youth aware of opportunities they have to be successful • helps them make meaningful goals through Venturing • ensures Venturing meets the needs of the crew • seeks to advocate for youth through their empowerment • never directs
  • 27. Counseling and Mentoring Strategies 1. Listen attentively 2. Summarize what is being said 3. Get all the facts 4. Explore a variety of solutions 5. Reactions and responses 6. Be a friend
  • 28. Training leads to success • Y02 • Fast Start Orientation Training • Venturing Advisor Position-Specific Training • Crew Committee Challenge • Introduction to Outdoor Leader Skills • Powder horn • Wood Badge • Leadership Challenge • National Training Conferences
  • 29. Adult Roles Crew Advisor Responsible to “advise” youth Crew members Crew Associate Advisor Responsible to assist Crew Advisor and “advise” their youth officer. Crew Committee and Chairman Responsible for behind the scenes work and to assist the Crew Advisor
  • 30. Youth Leadership roles Crew President Responsible for leading the youth in the Crew with functions and on adventures. Crew Vice Presidents Responsible to assist the President in assigned tasks. Typically, roles of Administration and Program Crew Secretary Responsible to assist the President in more organizational tasks. Such as attendance and record keeping Crew Treasurer Responsible by assisting the President by managing the Crew’s finances
  • 31. Governance – • All Venturers practice citizenship through a representative democracy that starts as the crew and rises all the way to the National Venturing President and his cabinet. • Every voice gets heard • The mechanism of this governance is called the Venturing Officer Association
  • 32. Council VOA Members • Council Venturing President (youth) • Council VPs (youth) • VOA Advisor and Associate Advisors • Crew Presidents and their Advisors Functions • Program events • Training events • Service to crews
  • 33. Presidents Crew Venturing Presidents and the Crew Advisors • are members of the Council VOA and • represent their crew to the Council VOA and in turn receive support from the Council VOA officers. 33