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No longer just for the likes of them? University access Danny Dorling, Department of Geography, University of Sheffield Talk to University WP team, Octagon, 11am, 20 April 2010. I suggest that the way we currently allocate university places will, in a few decades time, to come appear as perverse and haphazard as entry to elementary education prior to the 1880s now appears and as secondary education places were allocated prior to the 1960s. Perverse here means harmful to almost all, from the poorest to richest. Start with HEFCE’s revelations of spring 2010:
Recently a narrowing in inequality occurred Slight viewed in some ways, remarkable in others, but not even those in ‘pole-position’ are happy..  I’ll consider those at the ‘top’ with a typical ‘Times’ Newspaper story of spring 2010 (in five slides time) – but first what of that 15% to 19% going increase for young people (aged 18 and 19) in the worse off fifth of areas. An extra one in twenty five going in just five year. A 26% access increase…. (19-15)/15. The source here is HEFCE’s 2010 Trends report
Considering that 15% to 19% rise:  It was predicted given earlier GCSEs
It looks as if it reflects ‘investment’, when a “lag” is put in, as below
But it is uneven. For the worse-off fifth:  Women +5%, Men +4%.  A slight widening of the gender gap
However, geographical differences in the trend are much more important. The overall rise in Yorkshire for  all  groups is just 4% in the last five years. To those regions and sexes that have, more is given. But – we have managed to create a system that still causes great distress – possiby most distress to those at the top…
“ Bright pupils are rejected in scramble for university” 26/04/10 © The University of Sheffield The Times Newspaper on April 10th reported on Florence MacKenzie who they described as “upset and angry”. Their reported continued:  ‘Universities would have fought over Florence MacKenzie, 18, in previous years. On course to achieve A and A* grades in her A levels, she has straight A*s in her nine GCSEs, plays hockey for her school, and is Grade 8 at piano and violin. She and her parents were baffled when she was rejected by three of her five chosen universities. Florence, from Banbury, is happy with her place studying English at University College London, but was turned down by Edinburgh, St Andrews and Durham. All are popular universities, hugely oversubscribed for her chosen subject, allowing them to be extremely picky. Edinburgh allocated 70 per cent of places on a points system that favoured teenagers from poor schools, those whose parents did not go to university, or those from Scotland or northern England. Florence goes to an independent girls’ school in Warwick so did not qualify. It set a hurdle of 11 GCSEs at A* to qualify for the remaining 30 per cent of places, but many schools (including Florence’s) do not set this many. She said: “I was very keen on Edinburgh and upset when rejected by them — angry as well after I found out the reasons why. I don’t think it’s a fair way of doing it, they should interview like other universities.” As many as 25 candidates are pursuing each place on popular courses at leading universities.’ http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/education/article7093817.ece
So, what is happening? Consider a very crude map of inequality in access S. Yorks. Banbury Source:  http://www.sasi.group.shef.ac.uk/hguk/chapter1.htm 26/04/10 © The University of Sheffield
Crude models predicting access You can predict how many you people will go to university from each area by knowing their social class background.  However there are geographical effects above this. Living in an area where it has become usual to go to university, for from which youngsters want to escape more increases their chances of attending beyond the effects of social class and  vice versa  (Latin also puts children with usual backgrounds off places that reveal in using it…) http://www.sasi.group.shef.ac.uk/hguk/chapter1.htm
Consider a crude indicator of access inequality beyond class S. Yorks. Banbury Source:  http://www.sasi.group.shef.ac.uk/hguk/chapter1.htm 4% - -4% = 8% gap “beyond class” For every 12 children 1 extra in S. Yorks. .does not go to uni.
Consider South Yorkshire and in particular Sheffield – why that gap? And why the dramatic reduction???
Government has very scant data ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],The next five slides consider trends in Sheffield by area – and division
26/04/10 © The University of Sheffield Educational divides for the lucky may be narrowing but other gaps growing
Sheffield: Road traffic casualties 2005–2007: children aged 0–10  ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Next slide: from age 15 we can forecast futures Between dental record at age 5 and school records from age 11, inequalities are most starkly shown by RTA:
By home location at age 15
 
 
A way forward – given the funding review - please think more local ,[object Object],[object Object]
HEFCE benchmarks ignore geography (as they stand), thus: ,[object Object]
Geography matters: Look at the proportions attending private schools at age 15 2% in S. Yorks. Banbury: 9%+ Source:  http://www.sasi.group.shef.ac.uk/hguk/chapter1.htm Low participation ridge
From state schools or colleges ,[object Object],For every child in Britain that attends a private school (7%) Sheffield takes –  pro rata  – two children (14.3% of entry).
Parents from working classes  ,[object Object]
Conclusions ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Be aware of how little many UK graduates know, but how superior they have been taught to feel. This is not their fault but due context.  An example:  “ Simon” B 30 Jan 2010, 12:19AM “ And yeah yeah, I know the increase perfectly matches the increase in GCSE scores but that just shows it's all smoke and mirrors because GCSE and GCEs have been getting steadily easier over the past 30 years. I can't believe that Dorling seriously believes the tripe he's peddling.   As an aside I don't quite understand where Dorling gets his figures from. More of the wealthier students go to university. The gap between rich and poor has actually widened over the past 15 years so how does he come to the conclusion that " most additional university places have gone to students from poorer neighbourhoods " Therer has been a slightly bigger increase in the proportion of poorer students going than wealthier students but given that the absolute number is smaller, in numbers terms many more of the additional places must have gone to wealthier students. Dorling is obviously no mathematician.  ..” The article said the absolute number change was greater – possibly for the first time ever recorded – but maybe I should have repeated it three times?! http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/mortarboard/2010/jan/28/labours-great-successes-university-access-danny-dorling  [ Article concerned 2005-10 change]
Further reading if interested: ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]

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No longer just for the likes of them? University access

  • 1. No longer just for the likes of them? University access Danny Dorling, Department of Geography, University of Sheffield Talk to University WP team, Octagon, 11am, 20 April 2010. I suggest that the way we currently allocate university places will, in a few decades time, to come appear as perverse and haphazard as entry to elementary education prior to the 1880s now appears and as secondary education places were allocated prior to the 1960s. Perverse here means harmful to almost all, from the poorest to richest. Start with HEFCE’s revelations of spring 2010:
  • 2. Recently a narrowing in inequality occurred Slight viewed in some ways, remarkable in others, but not even those in ‘pole-position’ are happy.. I’ll consider those at the ‘top’ with a typical ‘Times’ Newspaper story of spring 2010 (in five slides time) – but first what of that 15% to 19% going increase for young people (aged 18 and 19) in the worse off fifth of areas. An extra one in twenty five going in just five year. A 26% access increase…. (19-15)/15. The source here is HEFCE’s 2010 Trends report
  • 3. Considering that 15% to 19% rise: It was predicted given earlier GCSEs
  • 4. It looks as if it reflects ‘investment’, when a “lag” is put in, as below
  • 5. But it is uneven. For the worse-off fifth: Women +5%, Men +4%. A slight widening of the gender gap
  • 6. However, geographical differences in the trend are much more important. The overall rise in Yorkshire for all groups is just 4% in the last five years. To those regions and sexes that have, more is given. But – we have managed to create a system that still causes great distress – possiby most distress to those at the top…
  • 7. “ Bright pupils are rejected in scramble for university” 26/04/10 © The University of Sheffield The Times Newspaper on April 10th reported on Florence MacKenzie who they described as “upset and angry”. Their reported continued: ‘Universities would have fought over Florence MacKenzie, 18, in previous years. On course to achieve A and A* grades in her A levels, she has straight A*s in her nine GCSEs, plays hockey for her school, and is Grade 8 at piano and violin. She and her parents were baffled when she was rejected by three of her five chosen universities. Florence, from Banbury, is happy with her place studying English at University College London, but was turned down by Edinburgh, St Andrews and Durham. All are popular universities, hugely oversubscribed for her chosen subject, allowing them to be extremely picky. Edinburgh allocated 70 per cent of places on a points system that favoured teenagers from poor schools, those whose parents did not go to university, or those from Scotland or northern England. Florence goes to an independent girls’ school in Warwick so did not qualify. It set a hurdle of 11 GCSEs at A* to qualify for the remaining 30 per cent of places, but many schools (including Florence’s) do not set this many. She said: “I was very keen on Edinburgh and upset when rejected by them — angry as well after I found out the reasons why. I don’t think it’s a fair way of doing it, they should interview like other universities.” As many as 25 candidates are pursuing each place on popular courses at leading universities.’ http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/education/article7093817.ece
  • 8. So, what is happening? Consider a very crude map of inequality in access S. Yorks. Banbury Source: http://www.sasi.group.shef.ac.uk/hguk/chapter1.htm 26/04/10 © The University of Sheffield
  • 9. Crude models predicting access You can predict how many you people will go to university from each area by knowing their social class background. However there are geographical effects above this. Living in an area where it has become usual to go to university, for from which youngsters want to escape more increases their chances of attending beyond the effects of social class and vice versa (Latin also puts children with usual backgrounds off places that reveal in using it…) http://www.sasi.group.shef.ac.uk/hguk/chapter1.htm
  • 10. Consider a crude indicator of access inequality beyond class S. Yorks. Banbury Source: http://www.sasi.group.shef.ac.uk/hguk/chapter1.htm 4% - -4% = 8% gap “beyond class” For every 12 children 1 extra in S. Yorks. .does not go to uni.
  • 11. Consider South Yorkshire and in particular Sheffield – why that gap? And why the dramatic reduction???
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  • 13. 26/04/10 © The University of Sheffield Educational divides for the lucky may be narrowing but other gaps growing
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  • 20. Geography matters: Look at the proportions attending private schools at age 15 2% in S. Yorks. Banbury: 9%+ Source: http://www.sasi.group.shef.ac.uk/hguk/chapter1.htm Low participation ridge
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