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Content
Introduction

photons and the light cone
the strange photon
philosophical considerations

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The cave of Plato (Politeia, 380 B.C.)

What we see are the shadows of the world of the ideas

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The cave of Plato (Politeia, 380 B.C.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69F7GhASOdM
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characteristics of classical philosophy
classical philosophy
deals with nature
(Greek: physis) of beings
being is central
philosophy of being
real beings
can belong to the visible, observable world;
but also invisible, unobservable beings can be real
the invisible and immaterial is cause of the visible
see, Plato, Aristotle, Thomas Aquino
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The demon of Laplace (1794-1827)
We may regard the present state of the universe
as the effect of its past and the cause of its
future. An intellect which at a certain moment
would know all forces that set nature in motion,
and all positions of all items of which nature is
composed, if this intellect were also vast enough
to submit these data to analysis, it would
embrace in a single formula the movements of
the greatest bodies of the universe and those of
the tiniest atom; for such an intellect nothing
would be uncertain and the future just like the
past would be present before its eyes.
A Philosophical Essay on Probabilities, 1814
As a member of the new Academy of Sciences, he presented the
“scientific system” of that academy to Napoleon Bonaparte.
Napoleon asked: “Where is the place for God in your system?”
His answer was: “Majesty, we did not need that hypothesis.”
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Statement of De Broglie
Louis De Broglie, 1892- 1987, Nobel prize in 1929

As science progresses, it is constrained to
introduce into its theories concepts of a
metaphysical nature – like those of time,
space, objectivity, causality, individuality.
....Science frequently ends up engaging in
metaphysics without realizing it, and this
is not exactly the safest way of doing
metaphysics.
De Broglie, Revue de metaphysique et de
morale, 1947, 3, p 278.
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The cave of Plato and the outside world
inside cave

outside cave

Plato

visible world, caused by
invisible world,
shadow of reality

invisible reality
invisible causes

Aristoteles

part of reality, caused by
visible and invisible causes

invisible reality,
unmoved mover,
invisible causes

De Broglie

science and metaphysics

metaphysics

Laplace

deterministic reality

unnecessary
hypothesis

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Content
Introduction

photons and the light cone
the strange photon
philosophical considerations

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Space-time diagram
present:
space-like separated
from origin

future/past:
time-like separated from
origin
event at origin:
-- is caused by events in
the past light cone
-- has causal effects on
events in the future light
cone
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special and general relativity
light cone in special
relativity

light cone in
general relativity
(curved space)
figures from Penrose
Cycles of Time,
Random House,
London 2010
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Space-time diagram (1)
present:
space-like separated from origin
future/past:
time-like separated from
origin

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Space-time diagram (2)
train at rest:
at three different moments

long train:

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Space-time diagram (3)
moving train:
at three different moments

long train:

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Space-time diagram (4)
moving train:
at three different moments

new coordinates of the
moving train

long train:

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Space-time diagram (5)
consider two events

<= time line of train

1: at origin
2: outside the light cone
There is an inertial system
where these are simultaneous
example
a traveler in an extremely long
moving train needs only to ask
his colleague at the wagon
at event 2.

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Space-time diagram (6)
consider two events

<= time-line of the train

1: at origin
2: inside the light cone
There is an inertial system
where these are at the same
place
example
a traveler in an extremely long
moving train needs only to
look out the window and
wait to see the event.
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Space-time diagram (7)
consider two events
1: at origin
2: on the light cone

<= time line of train with speed c

There is an inertial system
where these are simultaneously
at the same place
example
as before, event at the same
place, in addition: because
of time contraction:
interval of time is zero
 t  1  2 / c2  t  1 1  t  0
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Space-time diagram (8)
consequence for a
photon:
<= time-line of photon

In the coordinate system of
the photon, the event of
emission and absorption is:
-- instantaneously
-- without distance

emission

absorption

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Content
Introduction

photons and the light cone
the strange photon
philosophical considerations

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formation of a black hole

light cones in the
vicinity of a black
hole
figure from Penrose
Cycles of Time,
Random House,
London 2010

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time dilatation nearby a black hole
x
c  constant 
t

t
x

t
x

speed of light c is
constant in all
coordinate systems,
==> if x becomes
smaller, also t
diminishes
accordingly:
(gravitational) time
dilatation
figure based on
Penrose 2010

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A clock visible at light-years distance
nano-clock: excited atom or molecule
emits radiation at a certain frequency

cosmological red shift:
due to time dilatation of rapidly
moving objects:
extreme case: background radiation
gravitational red shift
due to time dilatation nearby a heavy
mass (curvature of space, rotation of
light-cone)
extreme case: horizon of black hole

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Penrose about photons

lecture in University of Leiden 2011

The point is that, according to a massless particle, the
passage of time is as nothing. (2010)
Eternity is no time at all, for a photon .(2011)
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A Gedanken-experiment by Wheeler 1978

Wheeler's proposal,
experimentally confirmed
(Jacques et al. 2007)

measuring individual photons from a quasar whose image has been
split in two by a galaxy acting as a gravitational lens.
Final state:
1) interference set-up: photon follows both paths;
2) telescope view: photon takes a unique path.
delayed choice made after billions of years
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Gravitational lens at 9.5 light-year

gravitational lens: ~1011 mass of sun at 9.5 light-year
source galaxy: ~108 mass of sun at 11.5 light-year,
magnified 40x,
appears as ring with 4 pronounced images
Van der Wel et al. 2013 (arXiv: 1309.2826v1)

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Adriaan Fokker, 1887-1972)
A. D. Fokker, Universiteit Leiden (1965)
Perhaps the deepest enigma brought to light by
chronogeometry is the occurrence of zero
intervals, connecting events which are located
by observers with spatial distance and temporal
duration between them. Zero interval means no
separation at all, an immediate transmission of
momentum and energy, as if there were
contiguity……
The mathematical formula is quite simple and
plain, nevertheless it relates to one of God's
secrets and implies His sempiternal ubiquitous
presence.
A.D. Fokker, Time and Space Weight and Inertia,
Pergamon Press, Oxford, 1965
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Content
Introduction

photons and the light cone
the strange photon
philosophical considerations

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The Strange Photon

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The cave of Plato and the outside world
inside cave

outside cave

Plato

visible world, caused by
invisible world,
shadow of reality

invisible reality
invisible causes

Aristoteles

part of reality, caused by
visible and invisible causes

invisible reality,
unmoved mover,
invisible causes

De Broglie

science and metaphysics

metaphysics

Laplace

deterministic reality

unnecessary
hypothesis

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The cave of Plato and the outside world
inside cave

outside cave

Plato

visible world, caused by
invisible world,
shadow of reality

invisible reality
invisible causes

Aristoteles

part of reality, caused by visible invisible reality, unmoved
and invisible causes
mover, invisible causes

De Broglie

science and metaphysics

metaphysics

Laplace

deterministic reality

unnecessary hypothesis

relativity

photon, object of science

photon is outside time

Penrose

photon, object of science

eternity is no time at all
for a photon

Wheeler

causality in science

delayed choice, causality
of final state

Fokker

relativity and photon

evidence for ubiquitous
presence outside time

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Causality
classical philosophy (Aristotle, Aquinas)
whatever is moved is moved by another or whatever is
changed is changed by another.
principle of causality

David Hume
cause: an object followed by another, and where all the
objects similar to the first are followed by objects
similar to the second.
Concerning Human Understanding.

Stephan Hawking:
Within the universe, you always explained one event
as being caused by some earlier event.
A brief history of time.

What about
delayed choice and causality from outside time?
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A request to philosophers
A dream:
To bring all knowledge about reality together in a single,
consistent view. For this is needed a consistent philosophy
(metaphysics) without internal contradiction and in
accordance with experience.

Problem:
The current experience accumulated in science is only
accessible to the specialist.

Who will enter the dialogue?

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This talk has been presented at the

Journée « Science, raison et foi »

Causalite, Temps et Origine de l'Univers
CASTELVIEIL , MARSEILLE, November 12 , 2013

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The Strange Nature of Photons

  • 1. Driessen.Alfred@gmail.com CSR: Culture, Science and Religion The Strange Photon pagina 1 12-11-2013
  • 2. Content Introduction photons and the light cone the strange photon philosophical considerations CSR: Culture, Science and Religion The Strange Photon pagina 2 12-11-2013
  • 3. The cave of Plato (Politeia, 380 B.C.) What we see are the shadows of the world of the ideas CSR: Culture, Science and Religion The Strange Photon pagina 3 12-11-2013
  • 4. The cave of Plato (Politeia, 380 B.C.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69F7GhASOdM CSR: Culture, Science and Religion The Strange Photon pagina 4 12-11-2013
  • 5. characteristics of classical philosophy classical philosophy deals with nature (Greek: physis) of beings being is central philosophy of being real beings can belong to the visible, observable world; but also invisible, unobservable beings can be real the invisible and immaterial is cause of the visible see, Plato, Aristotle, Thomas Aquino CSR: Culture, Science and Religion The Strange Photon pagina 5 12-11-2013
  • 6. The demon of Laplace (1794-1827) We may regard the present state of the universe as the effect of its past and the cause of its future. An intellect which at a certain moment would know all forces that set nature in motion, and all positions of all items of which nature is composed, if this intellect were also vast enough to submit these data to analysis, it would embrace in a single formula the movements of the greatest bodies of the universe and those of the tiniest atom; for such an intellect nothing would be uncertain and the future just like the past would be present before its eyes. A Philosophical Essay on Probabilities, 1814 As a member of the new Academy of Sciences, he presented the “scientific system” of that academy to Napoleon Bonaparte. Napoleon asked: “Where is the place for God in your system?” His answer was: “Majesty, we did not need that hypothesis.” CSR: Culture, Science and Religion The Strange Photon pagina 6 12-11-2013
  • 7. Statement of De Broglie Louis De Broglie, 1892- 1987, Nobel prize in 1929 As science progresses, it is constrained to introduce into its theories concepts of a metaphysical nature – like those of time, space, objectivity, causality, individuality. ....Science frequently ends up engaging in metaphysics without realizing it, and this is not exactly the safest way of doing metaphysics. De Broglie, Revue de metaphysique et de morale, 1947, 3, p 278. CSR: Culture, Science and Religion The Strange Photon pagina 7 12-11-2013
  • 8. The cave of Plato and the outside world inside cave outside cave Plato visible world, caused by invisible world, shadow of reality invisible reality invisible causes Aristoteles part of reality, caused by visible and invisible causes invisible reality, unmoved mover, invisible causes De Broglie science and metaphysics metaphysics Laplace deterministic reality unnecessary hypothesis CSR: Culture, Science and Religion The Strange Photon pagina 8 12-11-2013
  • 9. Content Introduction photons and the light cone the strange photon philosophical considerations CSR: Culture, Science and Religion The Strange Photon pagina 9 12-11-2013
  • 10. Space-time diagram present: space-like separated from origin future/past: time-like separated from origin event at origin: -- is caused by events in the past light cone -- has causal effects on events in the future light cone CSR: Culture, Science and Religion The Strange Photon pagina 10 12-11-2013
  • 11. special and general relativity light cone in special relativity light cone in general relativity (curved space) figures from Penrose Cycles of Time, Random House, London 2010 CSR: Culture, Science and Religion The Strange Photon pagina 11 12-11-2013
  • 12. Space-time diagram (1) present: space-like separated from origin future/past: time-like separated from origin CSR: Culture, Science and Religion The Strange Photon pagina 12 12-11-2013
  • 13. Space-time diagram (2) train at rest: at three different moments long train: CSR: Culture, Science and Religion The Strange Photon pagina 13 12-11-2013
  • 14. Space-time diagram (3) moving train: at three different moments long train: CSR: Culture, Science and Religion The Strange Photon pagina 14 12-11-2013
  • 15. Space-time diagram (4) moving train: at three different moments new coordinates of the moving train long train: CSR: Culture, Science and Religion The Strange Photon pagina 15 12-11-2013
  • 16. Space-time diagram (5) consider two events <= time line of train 1: at origin 2: outside the light cone There is an inertial system where these are simultaneous example a traveler in an extremely long moving train needs only to ask his colleague at the wagon at event 2. CSR: Culture, Science and Religion The Strange Photon pagina 16 12-11-2013
  • 17. Space-time diagram (6) consider two events <= time-line of the train 1: at origin 2: inside the light cone There is an inertial system where these are at the same place example a traveler in an extremely long moving train needs only to look out the window and wait to see the event. CSR: Culture, Science and Religion The Strange Photon pagina 17 12-11-2013
  • 18. Space-time diagram (7) consider two events 1: at origin 2: on the light cone <= time line of train with speed c There is an inertial system where these are simultaneously at the same place example as before, event at the same place, in addition: because of time contraction: interval of time is zero  t  1  2 / c2  t  1 1  t  0 CSR: Culture, Science and Religion The Strange Photon pagina 18 12-11-2013
  • 19. Space-time diagram (8) consequence for a photon: <= time-line of photon In the coordinate system of the photon, the event of emission and absorption is: -- instantaneously -- without distance emission absorption CSR: Culture, Science and Religion The Strange Photon pagina 19 12-11-2013
  • 20. Content Introduction photons and the light cone the strange photon philosophical considerations CSR: Culture, Science and Religion The Strange Photon pagina 20 12-11-2013
  • 21. formation of a black hole light cones in the vicinity of a black hole figure from Penrose Cycles of Time, Random House, London 2010 CSR: Culture, Science and Religion The Strange Photon pagina 21 12-11-2013
  • 22. time dilatation nearby a black hole x c  constant  t t x t x speed of light c is constant in all coordinate systems, ==> if x becomes smaller, also t diminishes accordingly: (gravitational) time dilatation figure based on Penrose 2010 CSR: Culture, Science and Religion The Strange Photon pagina 22 12-11-2013
  • 23. A clock visible at light-years distance nano-clock: excited atom or molecule emits radiation at a certain frequency cosmological red shift: due to time dilatation of rapidly moving objects: extreme case: background radiation gravitational red shift due to time dilatation nearby a heavy mass (curvature of space, rotation of light-cone) extreme case: horizon of black hole CSR: Culture, Science and Religion The Strange Photon pagina 23 12-11-2013
  • 24. Penrose about photons lecture in University of Leiden 2011 The point is that, according to a massless particle, the passage of time is as nothing. (2010) Eternity is no time at all, for a photon .(2011) CSR: Culture, Science and Religion The Strange Photon pagina 24 12-11-2013
  • 25. A Gedanken-experiment by Wheeler 1978 Wheeler's proposal, experimentally confirmed (Jacques et al. 2007) measuring individual photons from a quasar whose image has been split in two by a galaxy acting as a gravitational lens. Final state: 1) interference set-up: photon follows both paths; 2) telescope view: photon takes a unique path. delayed choice made after billions of years CSR: Culture, Science and Religion The Strange Photon pagina 25 12-11-2013
  • 26. Gravitational lens at 9.5 light-year gravitational lens: ~1011 mass of sun at 9.5 light-year source galaxy: ~108 mass of sun at 11.5 light-year, magnified 40x, appears as ring with 4 pronounced images Van der Wel et al. 2013 (arXiv: 1309.2826v1) CSR: Culture, Science and Religion The Strange Photon pagina 26 12-11-2013
  • 27. Adriaan Fokker, 1887-1972) A. D. Fokker, Universiteit Leiden (1965) Perhaps the deepest enigma brought to light by chronogeometry is the occurrence of zero intervals, connecting events which are located by observers with spatial distance and temporal duration between them. Zero interval means no separation at all, an immediate transmission of momentum and energy, as if there were contiguity…… The mathematical formula is quite simple and plain, nevertheless it relates to one of God's secrets and implies His sempiternal ubiquitous presence. A.D. Fokker, Time and Space Weight and Inertia, Pergamon Press, Oxford, 1965 CSR: Culture, Science and Religion The Strange Photon pagina 27 12-11-2013
  • 28. Content Introduction photons and the light cone the strange photon philosophical considerations CSR: Culture, Science and Religion The Strange Photon pagina 28 12-11-2013
  • 29. The cave of Plato and the outside world inside cave outside cave Plato visible world, caused by invisible world, shadow of reality invisible reality invisible causes Aristoteles part of reality, caused by visible and invisible causes invisible reality, unmoved mover, invisible causes De Broglie science and metaphysics metaphysics Laplace deterministic reality unnecessary hypothesis CSR: Culture, Science and Religion The Strange Photon pagina 29 12-11-2013
  • 30. The cave of Plato and the outside world inside cave outside cave Plato visible world, caused by invisible world, shadow of reality invisible reality invisible causes Aristoteles part of reality, caused by visible invisible reality, unmoved and invisible causes mover, invisible causes De Broglie science and metaphysics metaphysics Laplace deterministic reality unnecessary hypothesis relativity photon, object of science photon is outside time Penrose photon, object of science eternity is no time at all for a photon Wheeler causality in science delayed choice, causality of final state Fokker relativity and photon evidence for ubiquitous presence outside time CSR: Culture, Science and Religion The Strange Photon pagina 30 12-11-2013
  • 31. Causality classical philosophy (Aristotle, Aquinas) whatever is moved is moved by another or whatever is changed is changed by another. principle of causality David Hume cause: an object followed by another, and where all the objects similar to the first are followed by objects similar to the second. Concerning Human Understanding. Stephan Hawking: Within the universe, you always explained one event as being caused by some earlier event. A brief history of time. What about delayed choice and causality from outside time? CSR: Culture, Science and Religion The Strange Photon pagina 31 12-11-2013
  • 32. A request to philosophers A dream: To bring all knowledge about reality together in a single, consistent view. For this is needed a consistent philosophy (metaphysics) without internal contradiction and in accordance with experience. Problem: The current experience accumulated in science is only accessible to the specialist. Who will enter the dialogue? CSR: Culture, Science and Religion The Strange Photon pagina 32 12-11-2013
  • 33. This talk has been presented at the Journée « Science, raison et foi » Causalite, Temps et Origine de l'Univers CASTELVIEIL , MARSEILLE, November 12 , 2013 CSR: Culture, Science and Religion The Strange Photon pagina 33 12-11-2013